Eureka police union: Councilwoman Atkins compromised officer safety

EPD hopes to provide Linda Atkins with new opportunities to discuss protest strategy.

A letter from the Eureka Police Officers Association distributed to city council members Tuesday night states that Councilwoman Linda Atkins endangered officers and members of the public by leaking confidential information about a planned shut-down of the Occupy Eureka encampment.

The Times-Standard said Linda Atkins responded that she didn’t know the information was confidential, and she didn’t leak it. What she did do after receiving sensitive operational information, though, was go to the courthouse encampment, completely out of the blue, to have an informal chat with protesters.

Let’s go to the game film and see how that chat unfolded.

A post on the Humboldt Herald, written the day of the alleged information leak, said information Atkins provided put “Occupy Eureka on alert”:

An email circulating from the group [of protesters] says Eureka City Councilwoman Linda Atkins attended its Wednesday night General Assembly meeting with warnings that EPD will dismantle the camp soon, but an exact date is unknown.

Hank Sims’ Lost Coast Outpost put it this way:

Tom Sebourn is at the scene; he says that Councilmember Linda Atkins is telling demonstrators that the Eureka Police Department going to be moving in soon.

Tom Sebourn’s blog provided more detail:

Right now, Occupy Eureka is in their nightly General Assembly. Linda Atkins of the Eureka City Council, just informed the people gathered for the assembly that the County govt. has been complaining to the Eureka City govt. about the Occupy demonstration (on the lawn of the Courthouse/Jail). The County has been requesting that the Eureka Police Department come raid, or break up, the demonstration. Linda Atkins told the General Assembly that she thinks that it is imminent- the EPD coming to shut down the demonstration.

Possibly because this turned out so well, Atkins added she thought it would be a good idea to involve her in future law enforcement decisions:

While conceding the city ordinance does clearly prohibit camping in places like the courthouse lawn, Atkins said, an enforcement action against Occupy Eureka should have been decided upon by the City Council.

“With a demonstration of this magnitude and longevity, I think it should have been a policy decision whether to remove them,” she said. “I think it would be wise for us to have a public dialogue about any protest movement and how we’re going to treat it.”

Maybe instead there should be a policy decision whether to remove her.

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69 Responses

  1. Nice for cops to have one of their employers working against them. Fatkins needs to go.

  2. The prog blogs thought they were talking Atkins up and instead provided the most damning evidence against her.

    Good.

    Linda, quit now. Please.

  3. Please no “fat” remarks. That’s ok for HH but not here. Just call Atkins an idiot. That’s enough for. me. This is continuing behavior for her. She has broken the law by leaking closed session info before.

  4. Can she be recalled for this?

  5. Yes 7:40 if this is the defense her supporters are providing she’s kinda f#@*ed.

  6. What was that name……Oh yes, Linda Brayingasskins. I hope the local Dems and the ACLU chapter have enough set aside for the inevitable legal action if she doesn’t keep that mouth of her’s shut!

    One wonders if her darling Garr was still in charge, would she have been down there making sure her electorate was safe?

  7. One wonders if her darling Garr was still in charge whether anyone would do anything to stop the protesters from breaking our laws.

  8. “Ratkins” is more like it.

  9. Yeah, all those scary homeless people were even more scary when they were woken up at 3 a.m.

    Please don’t tell me EPD is populated by sissies.

  10. Yeah, moron, like that sissy cop who objected to having chunks of cement thrown at him. I believe that incident was described as “assault with a deadly weapon.” think maybe you don’t think so well. Not having a job or a house doesn’t make a person harmless.

  11. Ha ha. Ask my husband what I’m like if I get woke up at 3 a.m. “Docile” won’t be one of the words he chooses.

  12. Ding ding ding! Anonymous 7:59 just proved there’s someone in the world even dumber than Linda Atkins.

  13. I voted for Linda and have seen throughout her term some brave decisions and some stupid decisions. This seems to fall firmly into the last category, and leads me to believe I can no longer [trust] her to tell the difference between the two.

  14. Unfortunately, Linda sees her role as the “opponent” to city government, which is a very difficult position to be in. As one of five, she can be the most effective if she can bring others to her position or to modify in her direction decisions of the Council. If she just strongly opposes or subverts the Council, she will continue to be unable to create policy and further marginalize herself as an elected official.

  15. Thanks Linda for not being the ‘tool’ that Murl
    expects. Thank you for recognizing that Occupy
    is not a foreign invader and secret police activities-
    suck now suck then and suck forever. If you feel you
    are worthy to strap a .357 to your hip- then be transparent
    in your behavior otherwise it will be the ‘american’ that
    exposes your very un-american activities.

  16. Linda is going to be gone.She brings nothing positive to the table. Just a mean not to smart prog. Even her base has seen that she is worthless. A female Larry Glass.

  17. Just who from the County told Linda? My guess would be……….

  18. There is NO defense for Councilperson Atkins actions ! She should resign but only after issuing a lengthy apology to the police, the other council persons, and the citizens of Eureka.

    Her moronic supporters dime her out (in print) for being the snitch. And yes Tommy Boy that means you.

    Atkins is stil pissed off that her pal Larry and that other dude, didn’t make the council. And that Garr what’s is name got FIRED.

    If Atkins actually said she didn’t know the information was confidential then she is just lyiing to protect her ass! Any way you look at it she has to go! She is not good for the city of Eureka, or Humboldt County for that matter.

  19. Hey anonymous, a sissy cop in NY was just stabbed by an occupier. What a wimp. He should have skipped law enforcement and become a manicurist instead.

  20. I think the cop’s name was Gladys. He was wearing a pink skirt at the time of the incident.

  21. After the stabbing, he hit the occupier with his purse.

  22. And then touched up his lipstick.

  23. If it’s manly cops you’re after, maybe you recruit Atkins.

  24. Linda didn’t give a specific time that the cops would bust up the camp. I don’t think that her actions endangered the cops one bit. If they were so scared they should have cleared the camp during the day when they could better see their enemy.

    Arcata warned their campers that they would have to leave. The protesters were seen joking with Arcata cops this afternoon as they were packing their camp up to comply. I don’t see how the warning endangered any Arcata cops. I think Eureka over reacted.

    Also, thanks to the bugs for the plug and noting that I broke the story. I know you guys don’t like Linda and that’s your thing. I don’t live in Eureka so I don’t have much of an opinion, just observations. Now comes the part where some of you throw me through the front window of the Mirror. I’m used to it by now. If you didn’t, I would think that you didn’t care anymore.

  25. Whoa……Nellie,

    APD communicated to the local OWS/Arcata before a deadline rather than “special ops while they sleep”, interrogation style.

    Eureka/PD and COH Supervisors/Sheriff’s Department look wayyyyy weak on their public/public/public quasi engagement. Not to mention, but the DA’s office gets bombarded with false citations and arrests due to the provocations in Eureka. Gotta give credit to the APD and OWS/Arcata for that civil disbanding.

    Still in disbelief that removal could not have waited until the day hours (the reasoning EPD and COH used was illegitimate considering the facts did not justify shock agitation by surprise in the dead of night…..). Anyhow, peace officers are not supposed to provoke- talk about setting the scene up…..

    On a side note: Interesting some TNT was found up in Hupa, don’t ya think?

    HOJ

  26. Tom ! Who cares what you think?

    Hunchmun, What is your basis for claiming that the citations or arrests wee “false” ??? Did you pull this out of your ass or do you have some factual, accurate details to back it up?

    you two are clowns, but of course that is just my opinion!

  27. Atkins is an extremely poor example of a public servant, an elected official. She needs to apologize and resign.

    Whatever came of her contacting a lawyer to find out about what her rights were in reference to the firing of her pal Garr? Was that just drivel?

    Wouldn’t it be nice if elected officials (ie LINDA ATKINS) could put her efforts towards something other than her personal agenda.

    But then again this is just my opinion, and I am part of the 99%.

  28. Tom–Props where props are due, friend. Thanks as ever for being a good sport. Hugs!!

  29. Hunchman says,

    why do copper toppers not have streaming audio devices on their shoulder? How come copper toppers use the “gang” method when building the old “he said, she said” scenario during a detention or arrest set-up by loading-up on public employee team members to participate in the “manipulated game report”.

    Answer: To “fix” a police report, especially using obstructing or delaying a “peace officer”.

    Question: Why was Mark Sailor(s) and probably enough others using technological devices documenting what the copper toppers and other authorities were doing?

    Answer:evidence to squash the false representations that public employee insider perps and scammers present to soooooo many people to think that peace officers are true blue locally, when actually the brotherhood and code of honor creates odd twists in how a local peace officer can turn into a copper topper…….as if all human beings who are part of law enforcement can be trusted by word of mouth and status…….laughable, especially when so many victims of abuse exist!

    HOJ

  30. Oh don’t get all serious on us, Bugs. It isn’t attractive.
    That said, let me say this. The protesters were well aware their time was limited and I’m sure they had a “plan” when the confrontation occurred. Frankly, I am one of the 99% but there’s no way in Hell I’ll be a part of a movement that has so many radical groups as its engine. The protesters didn’t just come to express an opinion. They “moved in” bringing with them a big, nasty mess. We’ve seen this before–the self-righteous who are the first to trample on anyone who cuts down trees or drives a gas guzzler are totally willing to trash the lawn in front of the courthouse. That place was disgusting and if you work near there (as I do), you get an eyeful.
    Don’t get me wrong. This is common. You should see the mess Rodeo goers leave. It’s naaaasty.
    This was, to my knowledge, an impromptu protest with no permits filed and no end date stipulated. There’s only so much any city or county can tolerate when protesters campout in a public place.
    It’s too bad. I empathize with those who protest, but as usual, it’s the radical elements that keep me firmly away from this kind of movement.
    As far as Atkins goes? I think saying she endangered police lives is a bit dramatic.
    When will protesters of today realize that Martin Luther King was effective in the long term because he DIDN’T degenerate into this violent, confrontational attitude. It isn’t ALL on the officers to create peaceful resolutions.
    I think my biggest complaint about the protests in Eureka have been the disrespect I’ve noted.

  31. You… don’t find us… attractive?

    Damn, Jen. You know how to hurt a bug.

    *sob*

  32. That’s much better. LOL!

  33. Some great points Jen,

    But here are a few areas of further necesary discussion:

    #1) Methodology and style of the evictions was no less than thugery

    #2) Peace Officers are not asked to “create Peace”. They took an oath, in part, to be 100% peaceful to its own citizens (look how they treat certain DRUNK DRIVERS in high profile), even when detaining or arresting. Snide remarks during and after-the-fact by so-called peace officers are agitating and provoking too – cops opportunily use words in negative transgressionary styles to “create” non-Peace to incite the vicitim to say or do something further so that physical contact by the so-called peace officer can be made and even more false charges can be listed as part of the paper chase set-up…….. again, bombarding the DA’s Office with false work orders, sts…..

    If anyone knows how a person can “understand the difference”, maybe they can say it. I know first hand, as do many other people, how cop interactions “work”. Let us see if all those with such excellent opinons really believe their own diatribes….

    #3) Although I agree the protest was without a clear message and that enough leaches blended in, the dead of nigh ,military style covert operation can’t be defended when “MORE PEACEFUL” methods existed. So, what you imply is that “Peace Officers” are allowed to “:create opposite of peace”, no less.

    ps. (hey, when a person is homeless and all they do is walk, walk, walk with no particular place to go, gatherings are like a special moment for street people to feel that they can be a part of something (social interactions), ya know, like a family feels when warm and comfy together in their home with particular things to do~human trait).

    #4) A citizen does not need a permit to protest. To my constitutional understanding, no protest is illegal…….it is some other charge!

    HOJ

  34. Bugs, you can’t have your cake and eat it too

    HOJ, you need some serious help. If you are employed you might see if your insurance includes and employees assistance program.

    wow

  35. I haven’t fed the trolls in a while, so what the heck. Point by Point HOJ.

    #1) Methodology and style of the evictions was no less than thugery

    The fact that an “eviction” was necessary shows that the people there were fully intending to stay regardless of the request they vacate. Thugery is a strong word to use for the enforcement of law, whether you agree with that law or not. To my understanding, you ARE entitled to protest. You are NOT allowed to impede traffic (unless you have notified authorities of intent to block it) etc. etc. An eviction occurs when someone or a group is no longer following the law or “peacefully” gathering. The example is the group of people that surrounded a car that was driving by, creating a dangerous situation for the driver, the protesters and the surrounding traffic. Regardless of “style”, the EPD followed the law.

    #2) Peace Officers are not asked to “create Peace”. They took an oath, in part, to be 100% peaceful to its own citizens (look how they treat certain DRUNK DRIVERS in high profile), even when detaining or arresting. Snide remarks during and after-the-fact by so-called peace officers are agitating and provoking too – cops opportunily use words in negative transgressionary styles to “create” non-Peace to incite the vicitim to say or do something further so that physical contact by the so-called peace officer can be made and even more false charges can be listed as part of the paper chase set-up…….. again, bombarding the DA’s Office with false work orders, sts…..
    If anyone knows how a person can “understand the difference”, maybe they can say it. I know first hand, as do many other people, how cop interactions “work”. Let us see if all those with such excellent opinons really believe their own diatribes….

    As someone who has heard the term “pig” thrown at officers (and that is a milder term used), I’m not sure that accusing the POLICE of “being negative” is going to fly. No, they don’t agree with the protesters not because of politics, but because of their behavior/attitude. If we wish to compare, let’s compare these protesters with the Civil Rights Movement who used non-violent methods to obtain clear objectives. This Occupy movement suffers from a lack of vision. And that effects the attitude. Anti-authoritarian concepts without a solid target means the cops are the only one with a bullseye on their back. Before we judge, perhaps we can have some empathy.

    #3) Although I agree the protest was without a clear message and that enough leaches blended in, the dead of nigh ,military style covert operation can’t be defended when “MORE PEACEFUL” methods existed. So, what you imply is that “Peace Officers” are allowed to “:create opposite of peace”, no less.
    ps. (hey, when a person is homeless and all they do is walk, walk, walk with no particular place to go, gatherings are like a special moment for street people to feel that they can be a part of something (social interactions), ya know, like a family feels when warm and comfy together in their home with particular things to do~human trait).

    I don’t know if you’ve been around the homeless people in Eureka, but I have. I’ve watched them (whether they can help it or not) endanger everyone around them with violent behavior, wandering into traffic, fighting with each other and with officers. Panhandling has become less of a desperate bid for shelter and comfort and more of an aggressive demand for “what’s owed them”. There’s an attitude of entitlement that squeezes the compassion right out of me.
    Though I sympathize with the homeless, I am unwilling to allow them to push through the door of my office and demand whatever they think they’re owed. (And this doesn’t apply to all of the folks I see. Some are genuinely polite and in need of help. Those people get what help I can give them.)
    What I SAID (no implication given) is that officers are allowed to enforce the law.
    Once protesters stopped standing on the corner with their signs and began to impact the area around them, the officers had the right–the OBLIGATION–to follow the law.
    If the law isn’t to your taste, I suggest starting with changing that. You see, if this were Right To Life protesters who were accosting pregnant women, I think several of you would be appalled. If the same Right To Lifers impeded traffic or government business, there’d be an outcry. In fact, I believe that HAS happened and protesters were “evicted” (those liberal thugs) and arrested.
    The right to protest is our American right. The right for the rest of us to go on with our pursuit of happiness OUR way is our right.
    Most of the time the two can happen on the same block. When it can’t, our law enforcement does the dirty work.

    #4) A citizen does not need a permit to protest. To my constitutional understanding, no protest is illegal…….it is some other charge!

  36. Guess I should have done my own darn blog post, Bugs. Sorry about that.
    Troll feeding=too wordy.

  37. That’s a lie.

  38. “…Linda Atkins responded that she didn’t know the information was confidential, and she didn’t leak it.” It’s a good thing the truth is older than 17, or she could be charged with statutory rape for what she did with it there.

  39. What’s a lie?

  40. Jen confuses me. But let me say this; the “Occupy” protesters (and I use that term loosely) in Eureka as in New York do not have a clear message. It’s the 1%, the banks, the greedy corporations, the economy, and so on. One guy, in Eureka, had a sign that said “smoke afgani weed, not afgani soldiers”! There were some about No Nukes and poice brutality. It would appear that the “message” can be whatever they want it to be.

    The idea that these people are protesting for “us” is absurd. I, as most, are in the 99% and I have no problem with lawful, respectful protest. But that is where it ends. I don’t think they have the right to “occupy” a public or private areas indefinately causing damage and disruption. Most of these “occupy” people are unemployed, underemployed, homeless, or some variation of a bum.

    My point is the police are the ones that pay the tab for all this. They are the ones that risk physical injury (by assault or exertion), complaints, lawsuits, and vilification. They aren’t the rich fatcats, the 1%, and they aren’t the ones causing a disturbance. To read the unintelligble BS from the super hero Henchman of Justice (can you believe that handle?) can at time be a bit much.

    Oh well, hope I’m not a troll but these are my thoughts about this issue.

  41. Jen,

    What I say is “How the officers enforced the laws”.

    Your responses were appreciated

    #1) Your response twisted the original point – how the methodology of enforcing any law was thugery; not that the law(s) itself represent thugery…..too bad you devolved away from your more appropriate character in your original post. Jedi mindtricks don’t work with me.

    #2) Empathy is good if it applies to all sides in the issue, but it appears you imply that cops deserve empathy for poor behaviors, again, having nothing to do with any laws, but how the enforcement of those laws is carried out. Maybe, you just have not seen the “dark side” of copper toppers. Kinda a shame really. I believe every American could learn a whole lot about cops versus peace officers if they get arrested and are treated in a manner for which truth is based upon..

    #3) Your personal experiences aside have nothing to do with the current issue and enforcement by law at a certain time and place on “public property” which was done in a thuggish fashion. As far as what you said,

    “It isn’t ALL on the officers to create peaceful resolutions.”

    Well, you wanted to play games in your follow-up response to cover-over the logic you prove with your own words and the fact that more peaceful alternatives for enforcement WERE AVAILABLE. Further, you devolve your response into the argument of, “If ya don’t like the law, blah, blah, blah…..” Again, it is how the laws were enforced in a military style operation…..even Forrest Gump could get what I am writing….so who is the real troll, Jen? Ya know, a mirror comes in handy at times!!!

    #4) Jen had no response

    Anyhow, it appears NAN and a few other posters over at the Herald are plagiarizing other peoples thoughts making the attempt that the thoughts were that poster’s own ~ typical non-transparent community types who try to appear more intelligient than they really are by stealing other people’s thoguths and ideas…..just like many of the newfounded elected officials………

    HOJ

  42. Holy Cow, didn’t think my last post was very controversial at all and it gets deleted. Just a couple oberservations and an opinion. This is getting to be like HH used to be.

  43. Nothing you have ever posted has been deleted. Ever.

  44. 10:19/6:38….its not censorship. -tis the shitty spam can brought to us all by WordPress. We all end up there for no reason until the Bugs fish us out of the damn thing. You’ll ge used to it.

  45. P.S. I agree with everything you said 6:38.

  46. Don’t forget that Arcata Police assisted EPD and Sheriff in the Occupy Eureka “raid” that night. Was the kind Chapman in attendance?

  47. 6:38pm,

    Let me guess, your comparing me to the superheros which are part of the “Justice League”? Ok then….

    No bs comes from this superhero, accurately writing about how “HOW” could have been more peaceful, but I know it makes enough current and former public officials and employees very, very unsettled….some of the same lobbied people who usually clamor all high and mighty about transparency and Democracy and whatever is on their non-transparent local agenda……., please, cut yourself some slack and open-up, be transparent, sit down at a table…..discuss the position further…..or be a shadowy figure of speech….obviously your choice.

    HOJ

  48. True Sowbug,

    maybe which is why Chapman did not follow suit in Arcata when implementing their own eviction plan??? Understanding what “involvement” actually means and understanding that Arcata residents and former political candidates were on and/or near the site documenting with tech devices is information to build upon. I suppose accusations of the baton beat-down would have been thrown APD’s way if they were caught doing something wrong.

    Rather, all accusations of abuse have been thrown EPD/Eureka and Sheriff/County of Humboldt’s way. If APD or its reps did do something wrong, then eye witnesses should come forward. APD has yet to be scrutinized up to this point for the Eureka/County matter.

    HOJ

  49. 10:19 pm,

    are you saying that all the “locally” banned and blocked bloggers are being accepted back to the Humbold Herald blogsite because the HH needs more readers and commenters as the duplicitive aliases invented to carry on a conversation are depleting the few Humboldt Herald moderators of their free time, space and energy. After all their provoking and they want to accept bloggers back…. is there a re-registration list going around, or is your comment a joke, seriously?

    HOJ

  50. Henchman of justice used to post on HH as little Jeffy Lytle of mckinleyville.

    Just wait until he starts whining about overpopulation but is to cowardly to practice what he preaches and start with himself.

  51. I must be on fire, as Smoke Monster’s infatuation is on code red “super-status” level. Chiming bells are ringing as if a wedding is taking place at the local catholic church and SmokeMonster wants in as a wedding crasher…….

    Yep, used too, as in HH is so scared of the truth and getting “out-classed in debate”, only banning and blocking and deleting comments can slow the rate of decline of its readership aliases.

    Yes Smokey bear, you gain an advantage in communication at the HH through elimination of communication when on the “good side” of non-transparent local media and its associated community launderers of misrepresentations.

    As far as starting with myself – suicide is what you preach? God forbid!

    Lastly, Smokey the Bear – no need to reiterate my name to deceptive blogosphere trolls, as Jeffrey Lytle is forever etched in the minds of those who realise tardy truth and whom fear it. No surprise who in the community is politically a threat and whom civily addresses local/state/federal empires with facts and truth regarding a myriad of socio-economic and socio-political actions, abuses, issues and incidents. Sorry that you feel a good person is evil.

    HOJ

    P.S. Just for Smokey’s sanity, when technology fixes are complete, you’ll experience the fullness in sign-off, again. Until then, smile and think of a beautiful woman, or man, or transgender, or glbt pampering you. After all, that’s is essentially all that is left for “real” humanoids these days…..love by your soulmate, if fortunate enough to have one.

  52. #1) Your response twisted the original point – how the methodology of enforcing any law was thugery; not that the law(s) itself represent thugery…..too bad you devolved away from your more appropriate character in your original post. Jedi mindtricks don’t work with me.

    No Jedi tricks. The officers were required to “evict” the protesters. You seem to think this eviction was “thuggery” because the officers won’t put their own safety in danger to meet some politically correct version of events. Nothing new there.

    #2) Empathy is good if it applies to all sides in the issue, but it appears you imply that cops deserve empathy for poor behaviors, again, having nothing to do with any laws, but how the enforcement of those laws is carried out. Maybe, you just have not seen the “dark side” of copper toppers. Kinda a shame really. I believe every American could learn a whole lot about cops versus peace officers if they get arrested and are treated in a manner for which truth is based upon..

    So, the only people who deserve empathy are the occupiers? Huh. Those cops are Americans too trying to do a nasty job. It’s clear their point of view doesn’t matter to you. It’s unfortunate since empathy should be extended to all.

    #3) Your personal experiences aside have nothing to do with the current issue and enforcement by law at a certain time and place on “public property” which was done in a thuggish fashion. As far as what you said,

    I disagree respectfully. My personal experience have everything to do with this issue. These protesters claim to represent the 99% and since I’m not rich, that would be me. When I feel disgusted by what I see in those who represent me, I say so. My personal experience influences that opinion and I’m willing to admit it.

    “It isn’t ALL on the officers to create peaceful resolutions.”
    Well, you wanted to play games in your follow-up response to cover-over the logic you prove with your own words and the fact that more peaceful alternatives for enforcement WERE AVAILABLE. Further, you devolve your response into the argument of, “If ya don’t like the law, blah, blah, blah…..” Again, it is how the laws were enforced in a military style operation…..even Forrest Gump could get what I am writing….so who is the real troll, Jen? Ya know, a mirror comes in handy at times!!!

    First of all, after seeing the response of Oakland’s police to protesters, I can’t see the whole “violent” version of events depicted by those who keep waving the drama flag. And peaceful enforcement is always available….when the perpetrator doesn’t resist and walks away peacefully. I don’t think Eureka’s protesters fit that bill, do you?
    And yes, I think a mirror does come in handy.

    Urban Dictionary of Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

    You are here, at The Humboldt Mirror, where your comments probably would “cause argument”. I don’t know that mine qualify.

    *hands HOJ a mirror*

    #4) Jen had no response
    Anyhow, it appears NAN and a few other posters over at the Herald are plagiarizing other peoples thoughts making the attempt that the thoughts were that poster’s own ~ typical non-transparent community types who try to appear more intelligient than they really are by stealing other people’s thoguths and ideas…..just like many of the newfounded elected officials……

    My bad. I thought my previous comments met your fourth comment

    You said:
    #4) A citizen does not need a permit to protest. To my constitutional understanding, no protest is illegal…….it is some other charge!.

    I’ll reiterate my comment. Yes, it is every Americans right to protest. It is NOT every citizen’s right to impose on other citizens with their protest. Once the protesters stepped into the street and imposed themselves on others, they were no longer legal. And though they are totally within their right to protest, they WILL be evicted for breaking the law, littering on public property and creating a nuisance.

    Even Forrest Gump could have seen I answered #4, but now I’ve cleared it up.

    NOW I think I qualify as a “Troll”.

  53. You can do no wrong, Jen.

    Hugs!!

  54. LOVE IT JEN!!

  55. Jen

    please accept a deep and reverent curtsy!

  56. Wow,

    Jen twists and deflects and there exists applause. Not surprising though for the deceptive types whose games are merely based on changing the discussion by altering positions and forgetting previous statements while not acknowledging what any honest and literate english reader can read. I don’t play child games as your doing, so have fun with it like PJ does over at the Herald.

    As far as troll, you falsely apply that title, but who would be surprised these days……people such as yourself exist in far too many corners. So, I hope you feel like an adult because guess what, too many deceiving adults whom interact like yourself have fracked this country up big time…..congrats with a local salutatory gesture….you may just deserve those negative times you experience.

    As to responding to your blatant twists and turns

    #1) thuggery – style and methodology which was provoking and agitating

    #2) Re-read your deceptive diatribe

    #3) Unless you were present when it went down or have personally experienced the “methodology and style exhibited” by the copper toppers, you really can’t say personal experiences “of disgust” from something previous and unlike “the evicition” can somehow relate you to “the eviction”, experience wise. No matter how disgusted you are, only a dishonest person would applaud the poor cop interaction when more peaceful avenues of evicition implementation could have been excercised, apparantly, for people who thinkas you do, it is over personal experiences of being disgusted by such rank and filthy folks……Keep it to the illegal camping complaints that yielded provoking and agitating law enforcement interactions and and you won’t need to spend so much time twisting and turning other people’s comments….maybe not.

    #4) Nope, your deceptive trickery in manufacturing a way out in your response won’t work with me. A shame really because, the confusing aspect of your original post and the successive follow-ups is that you make some good points, but show a clear biased and prejudiced mindset toward filth, stink, disgust, etc…enough so to over-look the actual abuse by the copper toppers by defending their poor conduct through communicative twists and turns to misrepresent what other blogosphere readers may not get a full grasp of because they won’t read all previous comments on this thread that have been since, twisted to deflect accuracy in communiction. That is a trait of a social treasonist – sabotage the information and communication society depends upon for facts, truth, law, justice and order and rights and democracy and liberties and pursuing happiness, etc….

    Your original point made which became the basis for your lack of a response.

    “This was, to my knowledge, an impromptu protest with no permits filed and no end date stipulated.” – 11/17/11 @ 9:11

    My original response #4) has yet to change. See, transparency works quite well when the effort is put forth.

    Cheers,

    HOJ

  57. I have a policy to only post a response three times and then I stay away, so here’s my last comment to HOJ.

    1. See, I don’t twist. I leave that to people much smarter than I am. I live my life as best I can, trying to ignore the flotsam and jetsam of weirdness that makes up our society. The point I’m making is simple. Occupy Eureka showed themselves to be contemptuous of the law. The response was eviction. The protesters knew this was coming and they “reacted”. The cops were determined to do their job. Your definition of “thuggery” is sweet, but certainly not the implication you made. I’m sure you know that words have power. To present this disingenuous definition is rather amusing, but doesn’t change that YOUR bias was pretty clear as well.

    2. I’m not sure that you’re qualified to speak “unbiased” anyway, since you’ve said that since I didn’t “experience” the police eviction, I can’t say it wasn’t offensive. But you remind me of a child screaming “It’s not fair!” when authority reminds them they must follow the rules. And that’s my problem with the whole thing. Perhaps it makes me boring, but I believe rules are a good thing. When I was young and said dumbass stuff like “I’ll never say what my parents said” but time has proved me wrong. That said, I absolutely believe protest is necessary to hold government in check. But what the hell has Occupy Eureka done to do that? Perhaps if this movement hadn’t turned to some of the more radical and rabid elements, more common people with an actual ax to grind would have joined it.

    3. I answered your points one by one, and even if it was a “diatribe” I still answered it. You don’t agree. For some reason, you think that the title “Protester” entitles someone to the right to be lawless, aggressive, and chaotic. I’m tired of their bad behavior being wrapped up in the constitution. Not that I think cops have a right to be violent or ugly just because they’re cops either. But you can’t blame human beings who happen to be officers of the law for doing the crappy job they were given. Protesters had no intention of making that easy, did they?

    Are you saying that you’re not offended by the nasty mess the protesters made of the street and area they inhabited? Seriously? So, now it makes me biased to state the obvious–the protesters showed little or no respect for the area they “occupied”. This is why the anarchist tendencies in the movement are killing it. Because even though they want no authorities and no rules, they want someone else to clean up their mess.

    Come to think of it, I’ll do something absolutely unheard of. I AM biased. I pay taxes, follow the law, vote, try and be a responsible citizen in my community that I love. Does that make me some neo conservative? No. It frustrates me that the only answer to Wall Street’s controlling, manipulative practices is screaming to dismantle government all together. I believe in this country. I believe my vote counts (*gasp* Shocking!)

    I really dislike the attitude that everything should be free without consequences or hard work.
    What frustrates me is both sides-the radical liberal elements and the rabid, bigoted right–have disgusted me. It leaves me unable to participate in protests when MoveOn and The Republican Party invade movements like Occupy and Tea Party making it just another bunch of clowns that keep us divided.

    Lastly, (finally), the protesters I sympathize with are in Oakland and other places where police misbehavior actually did occur. EPD may not have been polite and gentle when they shoved the protesters off the courthouse lawn, but the kind of ugliness seen in Oakland, Portland and other places did NOT occur in Eureka.

  58. Jeffery, for pity sake, take your ativan! Take two, they are small.

  59. Did anyone note the irony of the Times Standard highlighting “Linda’s quote” with the tag “Susan Atkins city councilman”.

    Quite delicious even though Linda doesn’t quite rise to the egregiousness of Susan.

  60. What’s with the moderation buddy?

  61. Anonymous says:
    November 24, 2011 at 7:59 am
    Verbana’s back! Thank goodness she’s around to muddy the waters of the occupy protest. If it wasn’t for agitators like her, we really would have something to worry about.

    Sincerly,

    The 1%

    What’s up with anonymous posters plagiarizing other people’s usages of words by reading them on one blog and transposing them as their own on another while supporting another viewpoint…….which is a reason the HH deletes, bans and blocks commenters – to take over any credits or pomp or circumstance for all the previous and correct seering done by others while the same hypocrits, in whole, disaggreed with the accurate and NOW PROVEN EVEN MORE comments (but now, all-of-a-sudden, AGREE???).Then, the tactic turned toward disallowing follow-up and the “You all were told so, yada, yada, yada,…..” by the original TRUTH TELLERS AND FACT BEARERS. Just another example of social treason by those in any local communtiy(people getting false credits for words not their own)…..

    Oh, btw, for Jo Blowe up-thread, I took those ativans, but I must say, such the work just to make the dough to pay for the little boogers at $250 per pop! Too make matters worse, after taking those 2 dinky pills, I wanted more……darned pharmaceutcals….so addictive!

    HOJ

  62. Jen @ 5:20 am…..or is it anonymous now.

    Reads as if you continue to twist your way out through long and winding roads. Sorry, you lack conviction as a self-proclaimed policy-maker!

    #1) So you claim your not as smart as others – it shows in your deceptive and twisting posts.

    #2) You may be somewhat correct, I remind myself of that want-to-be-all-knowing child “catching a grown-up adult” lying, twisting, deceiving and trying to finangle their way out of a situation that they flotsamed and jetsamed with illegitimate rhetoric; yet, miss self-righteous Jen/anonymous feels she has the experience, even though she was not present, of the matter and how the incident went down early am was acceptible and not thuggish in style or methodology for eviction. Thanks Chapman up in Arcata for daylight transparency and not nightvision agitation. Thanks CHP for not using a baton. Thanks to many protesters who are legally protesting. No thanks to those citizens breaking “actual laws” (under the guise of protest) that constitutionally need to be enforced – including who poop and pee on the bank, as well as, who poop and pee on someones lawn, public OR PRIVATE!.

    #3) As I previously gave you some credit – for making some good points that I agree with, you then devolve back into twisting words and deceiving the reader by making false insinuations in question form – tactical defense system on high alert? Look, you shape shift back and forth, trying to capture two or more sides which tells me you don’t even believe your own diatribes. You follow the Law in your own words – I bet not…I bet your a law-breaker at times like EVERYONE ELSE. Heck, can you make a list of all the laws implemented each and every year at JUST THE STATE LEVEL….YOU CAN’T. So, how do you know you follow the law? Not even copper toppers can follow laws they are unknowing of….which puts even more scrutiny on law enforcement over the laws they SHOULD KNOW and have been using, tactically for decades.

    ex. comment by Jen – EPD may not have been polite and gentle when they shoved the protesters off the courthouse lawn, but the kind of ugliness seen in Oakland, Portland and other places did NOT occur in Eureka.

    My Response: You were not there, so you proved..The EPD MAY HAVE BEEN polite and gentle. See how word play is done. Since you were not there, have you acknowledged the tech evidence that exists by those WHO WERE THERE?. Your comments suggest NO. Your comments suggest bias toward copper toppers who behave poorly. Yes, my bias is toward peaceful protesters and against those who usurped the protest to blend in for more sinister reasons….

    Your answers were mainly disingenuous twists and turns with evidentiary responses that suggest, from your original post forward, that you are not speaking for yourself, but reading other people’s responses to come-up with something sensible to write in a manner “that appears original”, but is really plagiarized thoughts from another or few. It is easy to spot people who are not free-thinkers, especially those who continue to “back-track and cover-over” their previous deceptive words….

    ex. of Jen’s point of view – I’m sure you know that words have power. To present this disingenuous definition is rather amusing, but doesn’t change that YOUR bias was pretty clear as well.

    My Response – typical deceiver who attempts to reverse the discussion upon another person, especially when evidence proves otherwise..

    HOJ

  63. Jeff, seek help ! You are truly a f’d up individual.

  64. Anonymous,

    your long and forked tongue, quit tripping on it.

    To say I am f’d-up is an understatement, since we are ALL f’d-up, thanks to the conducts of “less than all”!

    Touche’

    HOJ

  65. HOJ, you make the point ! Seek help, get out more.

    “less than all” ?????????

  66. Jeff – you miss the point – the #Occupiers WANT to be shoved in the dirt. They WANT to be pepper-sprayed, with it filmed and posted on YouTube in all its glory. They WANT someone shot so they can wail and rend their hair shirts and blame someone else.

    The police have shown remarkable restraint all over this nation.

    The #Occupy camps have at least 7 deaths, drug overdoses, rapes to the point they have set up ‘women only’ tents to try to protect them, and that’s just for starters, they’ve destroyed parks, cost cash-strapped municipalities millions of dollars….

    And what have they accomplished? Locally?

    They’ve got a cyclone fence keeping EVERYONE off the lawn. Good going. Ruin it for everyone, that is the end result of #Occupy. Eyesores, less freedom and more restriction.

    Bully for them.

  67. Ooops. I only posted to say that Nov 22 at 5:20am is me and I didn’t mean to post anonymously. Not my style.

  68. Good for Linda! The public should know what the government wants to do. There should be transparency in the decisions being made so our system isn’t so messed up! A bunch of people on the grass are going to endanger police with guns and batons? Give me a break.

  69. Oh yes! Let’s hear for Linda Brayingasskins! Caught her ad on the radio and actually told her to “Shut the Hell UP!”. After hearing that I wondered; if you are re-elected just how welcoming for your input will your fellow councilperson’s be? If I heard that and I was a council person, you would not be welcome to clean my cat box, never mind make decisions for the City of Eureka

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